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  • Christians and other mystics sometimes argue that religion makes people moral. I disagree: morality is a practical science which can only be understood by rational consideration, not emotionalism (the epistemological method of faith). To the extent that religious dogmas and religious people preach and act morally, they derive their principles using the same rational methods and the same evidence that is available to everyone. Since rational moral claims need no mystical basis, it is only the irrational and immoral actions which require religious justification. To the extent that religious beliefs as such influence people’s actions, they can only influence them to do wrong – sometimes unspeakable and sometimes trivial, but still evil.

    For the most part, modern Western religions, such as those in the United States, merely consist of mindless time-wasting rituals. They are evil in the sense of distracting people from more productive activities, especially from more productive means of finding moral guidance. Nevertheless, for the most part, and despite their religion, most Americans are good and productive people, who pay lip-service to a dogma highly diluted by Western philosophy and modern science.

    The prime candidate for the moral monopoly of religion in America is the domain of life and death. This is where the real evil of religious influence becomes evident. One particularly despicable influence of religion was out on display when John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential candidate. One of Governor’s Palin’s qualifications for the presidential ticket is that she gave birth to a baby with Down syndrome in April.

    The fact that Palin’s baby has Down syndrome is certainly tragic. Down not only severely impacts the health and life-expectancy of the child, is also a tremendous burden on their caretakers. (Aside from my personal observation, my girlfriend has worked closely with Down parents and their children.) As an unpredictable genetic disorder however, the symptom cannot be blamed on anyone. Except for this: since January 2007, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has recommended Down screening for all pregnant women, and so Governor Palin knew that her fetus had Down’s, and decided to continue her pregnancy anyway. Furthermore, she has turned her decision into political leverage in the upcoming election as proof of her moral virtuousness:

    “How refreshing that now we have a woman who reflects the values of mainstream American women,” said Janice Shaw Crouse of the conservative group Concerned Women for America.

    Whereas previously, a Down’s child could be born without the prior knowledge of the mother, going forward, a parent with a Down’s child will likely (at least in the developed world) have made a conscious choice to have that child. The child represents a sacrifice made by their parents for their faith. As the recommendations of ACOG are implemented nationwide, Down children (and eventually those with other genetic disorders) will increasingly become symbols of faith – a freak show meant to communicate the “family values” of their parents. They will be a symbol of religious reverence in the same way as the scarred backs of Catholics who flagellate themselves, or Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire, or Sunni Muslims who mutilate their girl’s genitals or Shiites who bloody their and their children’s heads with swords.

    Genuine moral virtues – such as integrity, honesty, and productivity are not useful as evidence of religious virtue. To the extent that their practical benefit is visible to everyone, they do not represent the special domain of religion. To demonstrate religious virtue, it is necessary to sacrifice authentic moral values in favor of “religious” values. The particular object of the sacrifice is not important – there is nothing particularly “biblical” about being prolife (the Christian bible just as easily supports the opposite position.) If Christian fundamentalists decided that cutting of one’s hand sufficed as proof of moral virtue, they would still be guilty of evil, but not much more so than the numerous other ways that people of all kinds find to be self-destructive. What is really vicious about fundamentalists in America is that the prey on the most vulnerable –poor pregnant young girls and women, those dying from painful terminal illnesses, the loved ones of brain-dead patients, — and children afflicted with terrible genetic illnesses.

    One can at least grasp the moral indifference with which a fundamentalist can force a single young mother to abandon her goals and dreams and condemn her and her child to poverty. But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their child? If we are morally outraged by child rapists, how should we judge a parent who chooses a lifetime of suffering on their own child?

    60 Responses to “Christian fundamentalists put freaks on parade”

    [...] at Truth, Justice, and the American Way But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their [...]

    This is such a sad commentary.

    Have you ever considered seeking a different perspective? Have you tried to engage a family who parents a child with Downs Syndrome? Speak to them and listen to how they feel about raising a child with special needs. They would surprise you. A lot of these children are very talented and can live pretty productive lives. They teach us so many things - Joy, hope, patience, selflessness, and most precious of all is LOVE. Able-bodied people should be so lucky.

    So, please don’t make hasty judgements about them based on what your girlfriend has told you.

    Hi there Dave. Thanks for posting on my blog. Because the subject of this post is similar to the comment you wrote there, I’ll paste my response to your comment here; I think it is relevant to the discussion.

    I understand what you are saying, but I don’t necessarily agree. I don’t really think that most people opt to have a Down syndrome baby as a way to advance their own political or religious agendas. However, I do think that there are some people who feel that they are martyrs for their cause (anti-abortion) when they choose to have such a child (I do agree that the decision is almost always religiously driven). Certainly some feel that they are morally superior to the 90% of us who would terminate such a pregnancy. My response to this is that it is their choice; they have to do what they feel is best for themselves, their child, and their families. This does not, however, grant them license to feel superior in any way to people who choose to abort. I don’t think there is anything at all wrong with deciding that you don’t want to raise a child with Down syndrome or any other genetic abnormality. Anyone who says that it isn’t difficult (emotionally, financially, etc.) is fooling themselves.

    I do have to take exception to your assumption that all Down syndrome patients live horrible lives of suffering. As you know, trisomy 21 occurs in varying degrees of severity, and plenty of people with DS live perfectly satisfactory lives. Still, it is impossible to tell how severe the disorder will be, and this is something that a parent deciding to birth and raise a DS child must take into account. They have to be prepared for the worst. The trouble is that society often is not, and I think that parents of DS children need to understand and accept that.

    dude, you are one sick individual, and I strongly suspect you’ve never met (a) a person with Down Syndrome (note: that’s the correct spelling) or (b) a parent of a child with Down Syndrome.

    OP: Should all children that have substantive birth defects be aborted, even if they are functional? Would you have aborted Stephen Hawkings or Mozart? How about if the child is going to be ugly, or socially awkward? Is taking children with disabilities of any sort to term a sign of “religious values”, and if not, where do you draw the line? Because when you say, “But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their child? If we are morally outraged by child rapists, how should we judge a parent who chooses a lifetime of suffering on their own child?”, what I’m hearing is a slippery slope eugenics argument, sorry Godwin, reminiscent of Hitler. Should handicapped people be allowed to procreate? How about people who have a history of cancer, or risk of heart disease?

    And who the hell are YOU to draw that line for other people?

    Um, Downs kids are amazing. Downs adults are awesome as well. Have you ever met one of these individuals? I seriously doubt it, you speak as though they’re demons, they’re the opposite. They act like little angels, and God loves them just as much as he loves me and you. We’re all created in God’s image. We’re all equal. Please remember this and don’t be so judgemental. =)

    Amy,
    “I do have to take exception to your assumption that all Down syndrome patients live horrible lives of suffering. ”

    I don’t make this assumption. I do think that having Down’s significantly reduces the quality of life of the child. The particular degree isn’t important. What matters is that mothers have a choice to make - to inflict a terrible illness on their potential child, or try again and hope for a healthy baby. The choice is not between having a baby and not having one, but between having a sick one this year versus a healthy one in a year or two. It’s shocking to me that some people choose to have the sick child because they can’t wait a year or two.

    Hm… I don’t think it’s because they can’t wait. Again, I think that the anti-abortion stance is largely religiously motivated. As such, anti-abortionists will “take what they get” because it is their belief that what they’ve got is “God’s will.” It isn’t a rational stance, which is why it is so shocking to people who rely on reason over religious superstition.

    Because I know the disorder is so variable, I would never gamble the well-being of my child if it was diagnosed with DS and hope that the symptoms aren’t “that bad”. There again we get into this idea of choice: I choose not to raise a child with a genetic abnormality. This does not make me a bad person, as some other commentors of your blog seem to think. But if a person makes a conscious decision to go ahead with the pregnancy, that’s fine by me. Just don’t tell me what I can and cannot do to my own body, and my own life (Palin wants to do just that). And don’t assume some holier-than-thou attitude because my decision was different. The smugness of some religious people is really infuriating.

    Where do I even start to respond to this & the post you left for my blog. 1st of all children with Down’s Syndrome are NOT “freaks” as you so cruelly label them, they are human beings with the same rights as you & me. I was a special ed major & college & I can tell you that throught my almost 53 years of life that all these “freaks’ as you label them have only made my life richer.
    Which brings me to your quality of life comment, by who’s standards? Yours?
    I won’t even go into the lies & twisting of scripture done by the hate group that calls itself freedom from religion. Yes, I call them a hate group because that is what they spew, HATE.
    Instead I will leave you with a quote from Corrie ten Boom when she was brought in by the Nazi SS during WW II for questioning. The Nazi officer told her: “If you want converts, surely one normal person is worth all the half-wits in the world!”
    Her reply: “”The truth, Sir, is that God’s viewpoint is sometimes different from ours- so different that we could not even guess at it unless He had given us a Book which tells us such things. In the Bible I learn that God values us not for our strength or our brains but simply because He has made us. Who knows, in His eyes a half-wit may be worth more than a watchmaker. Or- a lieutenant.” I couldn’t say it any better.

    [...] praise her actions as virtuous and moral and others see them as being disgustingly immoral. It is vital that we consider some of these ideas and arguments. Was Sarah Palin acting morally or [...]

    [...] praise her actions as virtuous and moral and others see them as being disgustingly immoral. It is vital that we consider some of these ideas and arguments. Was Sarah Palin acting morally or [...]

    David, I don’t agree with you. But if you want to make an argument for Abortion, I would like to point out to you that not all Pro Lifers fit your narrow stereotype. For one thing there is the group, called Libertarians for Life, located at (http://www.l4l.org/) and the group Atheists and Agnostics for life, located at (http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html) I don’t expect to change your way of thinking, but you should examine both of those sites and at least take the time to consider some of their arguments. Sorry but I don’t know how to post direct links using this comment system.

    By the way, I am well aware of Rand Arguments for Abortion as a right.

    David, Also keep in mind that there were mystics who were also abolitionist in pre civil war America. In fact a few of them you might even consider christian fundamentalists.

    If you think about it, we’re all special-needs children.
    I just heard that on another blog, I like it. =)

    Oh, and Al- I LOVE THAT QUOTE. I just finished reading “The Hiding Place”- awesome book. =)

    David, have you ever seen a Downs kid smile? It’s more beautiful than a “normal” kids’ smile, and not a bit “freaky.”

    I don’t get the reaction of people to your comments. I don’t even see how people consider Down’s syndrome “children” to be human. I encountered one in the store today, and it was a drooling, loud, disgusting creature. My friend’s dog is better behaved than that creature was.

    Just because something looks like a human doesn’t mean it is. What sets humans apart from other animals is our intelligence. Looking somewhat human but being massively retarded makes Downs syndrome creatures closer to cattle than people.

    Rob,

    Really, so we should be allowed to kill and eat people with down syndrome?

    Well, I’m a vegetarian so eating them isn’t my style.

    My point was that they are fundamentally animals, not people. Aborting them and giving the parents an opportunity to have a human baby is a better answer all around than inflicting them on society and demanding that they be treated as human.

    Rob,

    Problem is that they are humans. They may not be functioning at an optimal level but that does not change their species. Its hard to imagine someone finding away to bring a cow to the level of a fully functioning human being, but what about a person with down syndrome? What if one day we find a cure? Its far less likely that we will be able to change the fundamental nature of cow, than we will be able to find a cure for down syndrome in the near future. Plus even if we don’t they are still human. They are still a member of our species. What gives you, or anyone else the right to decide who’s life is not worth living for them? I met a relative once (I can’t remember his name) who was severally retarded, I don’t know if he had down syndrome or not, but if anyone tried to hurt him, when I was around I would do everything in my power to stop them.

    The stupid, it burns: Damien, there can be no cure for Down syndrome. But thanks for showing your incredible ignorance of genetics, development, and biology in general.

    anon,

    We are more likely to cure down syndrome than we are to change to fundamental nature of what it is to be a cow.

    Well said, Damien. =)

    Rob, that’s one of the STUPIDEST things I’ve ever heard. Do you think people with Downs chose to be mentally retarded? NO! What if it was you, and people always glared at you and didn’t want to be your friend because you looked different? Wouldn’t that hurt your feelings? And yes, they DO HAVE FEELINGS. And by the way, not all Downs people are MENTALLY retarded, they may have other issues…

    Anyway, how does being mentally retarded make you stupid, or not a person worth loving? People with disabilities are more loving than regular, healthy individuals. They appreciate being alive, much more than we can appreciate. All people are equal, and yes, they are humans. They may be even more human than you, according to your heartless comment.

    God may someday decide to cure Downs Syndrome. Or stop the gene that causes it from working. He is all powerful, and all loving. And he wants us to love those around us, even our enemies. He wants us to love everyone: black, purple, white, Downs or not, he created us in the image of Him, so treat everyone with respect.

    -Holly

    Holly,

    Are you for real? Please tell me you’re really a brilliant satirist.

    Apparently people with DS aren’t the only ones who are retarded.

    P.s. Down (no ’s’) Syndrome is not due to a gene. Idiot. You are sitting at a computer connected to the internet. Do a Google or Wikipedia search for crying out loud. There is no excuse for such laziness.

    Actually, Damien, we aren’t. Please stop trying to pretend you know anything about genetics.

    THIS is why we are nearly last in the world in science education… didn’t you people take a biology course? Christ. No, of course not. You were too busy jacking off to your invisible sky daddy.

    Um, I’m 13. I don’t know everything about genetics, and I haven’t had the opportunity to take a biology course. Sorry. What is trisomy 21? What do you call it? Excuse my ignorance, please.

    But what I do know is that I’m CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. YOU ARE CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. EVERYONE IS. That’s all you need to know. Knowledge has nothing to do with your importance. Seriously. It’s not like I’m saying this because I fail at school and want an excuse. I have a 3.8 GPA. But you are important because Jesus died for you.

    And Anon, have you ever been degraded? Keep in mind that there is a living breathing person behind each post on your computer screen.

    I love you, because Christ loves you.

    -Holly

    Leviticus 19:14 NIV

    Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.

    Oh you poor, sick, brainwashed kid. I weep for today’s youth.

    Be sure to pay close attention in biology class, okay?

    Just made my way back here, glad to see that my original post was deleted. Not sure why. Is it because it’s harder to make the sick argument that David and Rob espouse to someone who has a sister with Down syndrome? Thanks for calling my loving, intelligent sister a “freak” and a “creature.” I’d much rather spend my days with her than with you fellas. The fact that the sight of someone so different from you makes you feel icky shouldn’t be reason enough to engage in eugenics. (Don’t kid yourself, that’s exactly what this is.)

    anon (Classy to write such vitriol and not sign your name, by the way), did you pay attention in biology? Down syndrome, in fact, is genetic. It’s an additional 21st chromosome, hence the name ‘trisomy 21.’ Also, mad props for the shining example of tolerance that you provided.

    Is it the level of positive contribution to society that determines a person’s right to live? If that’s the standard, there are several folks in this thread with serious reason for concern.

    And Holly, I’m glad to see your hope is in Christ. Your love and concern for others is evident. Stay in The Word and don’t let the hate and derision of the world get to you. He warned us it was going to get bad, didn’t he?

    Kev,

    I am a biologist. Please to read what people post: I never said DS was not GENETIC, I said it was not caused by a GENE. Perhaps you want to revisit both biology and reading comprehension, eh?

    And no, I don’t have tolerance for people who refuse to live in the real world. You can be religious and still use logic and reason. There is no excuse to fall back on the idea that your imaginary friend is going to solve the world’s problems. PEOPLE solve the world’s problems (which is ironic, because for the most part we cause them too). Blind faith precludes action. That is detestable.

    Also, abortion is NOT eugenics. Eugenics is forced sterilization; it strips an adult of their reproductive rights. And before you use the tired argument, no, abortion does not strip a fetus of its “right to live.” It’s a fetus, it isn’t a person, and therefore it HAS no rights. I have an infant daughter at home, and it doesn’t change my stance one bit. A woman has every right in the world to decide what happens to her body and her life. And there is nothing wrong with terminating an abnormal pregnancy. It doesn’t affect your life or mine in any way. So quit trying to force your ridiculous religious dogma on other people and get over it.

    Finally, it doesn’t matter what name I use, dipshit, this is the internet: we’re all anonymous. If I said my name was Carl or Diane, it would be just about as useful to you.

    anon, re-read your own post. You said it wasn’t due to a gene. On this technicality, I would correct your statement by adding that it’s due to the mutation of a whole string of genes. My point was that you were nit-picking something Holly said (without providing clarity on your behalf, I might add) rather than discussing the real crux of the issue you had with her: you had her beliefs.

    What you don’t have tolerance for, anon, is for people who refuse to adhere to your core set of beliefs. So you see, you have just proven my point for me. Tolerance isn’t really tolerance if the other person must agree with you for you to be tolerant of them. (I don’t see tolerance as such a virtue, I’ll note, but rather living in peace with others as much as it is within my power.) Your worldview is different than mine, and that frustrates you. You cannot accept it. While we both believe each other is wrong, I can accept it and move on. You apparently foam at the mouth. I am not forcing my world view (or religious dogma, as you call it) on anyone any more than you.

    “And there is nothing wrong with terminating an abnormal pregnancy.” You’ll notice, if you open your mind, that here you are asking me to weigh the termination of a pregnancy against your definition of right and wrong. Yet if I did the same, you might shout that I stop being such an absolutist. As it turns out, anon, you are just as much the cause of intolerance in the world as I. Most arguments could be resolved by the maturity to say to the other person, “I completely disagree, but I know it’s because I see the world differently than you. Good day.”

    *you hate her beliefs.

    Amazing!

    The ignorance of some posters is astounding. Something tells me religious brainwashing has a lot to do with it. Blind faith clouds your ability to reason, and you end up making complete fools of yourselfs on a public forum.

    It’s especially sad to see the 13 year old poster who’s already deep in clutches of Bible-based-science.

    People fail to understand what the blogger meant. They can’t assess his words using their minds - so they resort to emotional response instead. Down Syndrom people are a burden to everyone - if you think otherwise you are either ignorant, or just lying to yourself.

    Enough of the ‘they are so much more loving’ rhetoric. They are not. Unless you consider love of a puppy more meaningful than the love of your wife.

    Less Jesus Christ and more Ayn Rand, and maybe you’ll come to see the ‘truth’…

    Most arguments could be resolved by the maturity to say to the other person, “I completely disagree, but I know it’s because I see the world differently than you. Good day.”

    That approach worked really well with Hitler during WW2. Oh, wait…

    With a twisted logic like that, I guess we should we also turn a blind eye to girls being mutilated in Africa, honor killings in India, and political persecution in China. Because you know - ‘they see the world differently than us’.

    Gotta love the convenience of moral subjectivism…

    As a side note, I just noticed a pretty high (one would almost want to say ‘meaningful’) correlation between people’s ability to reason, and their choice of operating system ;)

    I always kept saying that Apple is for dummies.