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Christian fundamentalists put freaks on parade
Christians and other mystics sometimes argue that religion makes people moral. I disagree: morality is a practical science which can only be understood by rational consideration, not emotionalism (the epistemological method of faith). To the extent that religious dogmas and religious people preach and act morally, they derive their principles using the same rational methods and the same evidence that is available to everyone. Since rational moral claims need no mystical basis, it is only the irrational and immoral actions which require religious justification. To the extent that religious beliefs as such influence people’s actions, they can only influence them to do wrong – sometimes unspeakable and sometimes trivial, but still evil.
For the most part, modern Western religions, such as those in the United States, merely consist of mindless time-wasting rituals. They are evil in the sense of distracting people from more productive activities, especially from more productive means of finding moral guidance. Nevertheless, for the most part, and despite their religion, most Americans are good and productive people, who pay lip-service to a dogma highly diluted by Western philosophy and modern science.
The prime candidate for the moral monopoly of religion in America is the domain of life and death. This is where the real evil of religious influence becomes evident. One particularly despicable influence of religion was out on display when John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential candidate. One of Governor’s Palin’s qualifications for the presidential ticket is that she gave birth to a baby with Down syndrome in April.
The fact that Palin’s baby has Down syndrome is certainly tragic. Down not only severely impacts the health and life-expectancy of the child, is also a tremendous burden on their caretakers. (Aside from my personal observation, my girlfriend has worked closely with Down parents and their children.) As an unpredictable genetic disorder however, the symptom cannot be blamed on anyone. Except for this: since January 2007, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has recommended Down screening for all pregnant women, and so Governor Palin knew that her fetus had Down’s, and decided to continue her pregnancy anyway. Furthermore, she has turned her decision into political leverage in the upcoming election as proof of her moral virtuousness:
“How refreshing that now we have a woman who reflects the values of mainstream American women,” said Janice Shaw Crouse of the conservative group Concerned Women for America.
Whereas previously, a Down’s child could be born without the prior knowledge of the mother, going forward, a parent with a Down’s child will likely (at least in the developed world) have made a conscious choice to have that child. The child represents a sacrifice made by their parents for their faith. As the recommendations of ACOG are implemented nationwide, Down children (and eventually those with other genetic disorders) will increasingly become symbols of faith – a freak show meant to communicate the “family values” of their parents. They will be a symbol of religious reverence in the same way as the scarred backs of Catholics who flagellate themselves, or Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire, or Sunni Muslims who mutilate their girl’s genitals or Shiites who bloody their and their children’s heads with swords.
Genuine moral virtues – such as integrity, honesty, and productivity are not useful as evidence of religious virtue. To the extent that their practical benefit is visible to everyone, they do not represent the special domain of religion. To demonstrate religious virtue, it is necessary to sacrifice authentic moral values in favor of “religious” values. The particular object of the sacrifice is not important – there is nothing particularly “biblical” about being prolife (the Christian bible just as easily supports the opposite position.) If Christian fundamentalists decided that cutting of one’s hand sufficed as proof of moral virtue, they would still be guilty of evil, but not much more so than the numerous other ways that people of all kinds find to be self-destructive. What is really vicious about fundamentalists in America is that the prey on the most vulnerable –poor pregnant young girls and women, those dying from painful terminal illnesses, the loved ones of brain-dead patients, — and children afflicted with terrible genetic illnesses.
One can at least grasp the moral indifference with which a fundamentalist can force a single young mother to abandon her goals and dreams and condemn her and her child to poverty. But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their child? If we are morally outraged by child rapists, how should we judge a parent who chooses a lifetime of suffering on their own child?
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about 1 year ago
In my opinion, abortion should be saved for mothers who will face a life-threatening situation/condition if they keep the baby, and for rape victims. And I’m sure there are a few situations that branch off those two. But using abortion weekly or even monthly as birth control is wrong. But personally, I feel that I can’t make that decision for anyone. And that I should respect them no matter what their decision.
Sherry, I can certainly understand your point of view. I went to public school through 6th grade, but the school I’m currently in is Presbyterian and strictly against abortion. At the beginning of last year, we had skits in chapel about abortion. We had art projects with baby dolls being stabbed with needles and fake blood covering the area around that SERIOUSLY freaked me out.
And if you say (at my school) that you support Obama, you will be stoned. Don’t get me wrong, I love my school. But some Christians can’t think about any other issues in the election besides abortion. I believe there are OTHER issues of at least equal importance. If not more important. I think many Christians go overboard with this issue.
If abortion is made illegal, people may go to extremes to kill their babies, and accidentally injure/kill themselves. That would be a huge problem. And/or we might have a generation of parents who had a baby by “accident” and don’t care for or love their kid. This would doom that generation of kids. Just food for thought.
In conclusion, THE WAY ABORTION IS CURRENTLY USED IS WRONG. But that’s just my perspective, and I really can’t decide most anything for anyone else unless I’ve walked in their shoes…
God bless, Holly
about 1 year ago
I can’t believe so many people missed the entire point of this post.
The severity of the problems associated with Down Syndrome is not important to the point the author is trying to make… feel free to substitute in its place any other horrible problem that might happen.
The debate on what is severe enough or not severe enough is an entirely different debate, one that should be between the parents and their doctor.
The reason why he referred to children with Down Syndrome as ‘freaks’ is because it is that which makes the abnormal that gives them moral worth to some. The author isn’t expressing his opinion so much as he’s pointing out the motivation of the parents.
When parents knowingly give birth to a child with severe disability or defect it is basically Münchhausen’s by proxy. They may not be directly inflicting harm on the child they still seek the same psychological rewards.
What other purpose could any person knowingly place a significant burden on themselves for the sake of a yet-to-exist person? If you answered ‘to be moral’ then I challenge you to explain why they should want to be moral and also why it is moral. If you answered ‘because the child has a right to its own life’ then I challenge you to explain why that trumps the same right to life of everyone else.
To the person who asked the rhetorical question of whether or not others would have aborted someone famous such as Mozart… It would be completely foolish to decide to do or not do something because it of a random potential to turn out good. It’s also possible that the child would grow up to be the next [insert evil person here]. This is a completely arbitrary argument based on nothing.
To the person who asked if we ought to kill a child with autism, after their birth, because they are also a burden… you’re making the mistake of assuming a fetus is the same as a child, a fetus is only a potential child. One is taking a person out of the world, the other is preventing its entrance into the world.
To the people accusing those here that have pro-abortion opinions of hatred… hatred of what? Hatred of a non-existent person? Hatred of pain, suffering, and undue burden? What exactly do they hate? I say it is you who is showing hatred when you demand that others must endure such hardships. Unlike those you criticize you have far more on common with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc. They all demanded that we should sacrifice for something greater then ourselves and claimed that this sacrifice would make us some how better off. What is sad to think of is the fact it’s 2008 and there are people like you who still haven’t learned this history lesson.
about 1 year ago
The only reason I’m here is because God made me, and gave me the privilege of life. Not just on earth, but in heaven also, because I’ve accepted his gift for me. Who are we to take another’s life- or potential life, in your opinion- when GOD made it??? The same guy who made every single star shine in the sky. The guy that parted and walked on water. Please tell me you’re not thinking of crossing Him, BAD idea. Throughout the Bible are tons of stories of people forgetting, blaspheming against and/or ignoring God, and their consequences… but let’s not get too far off the main subject.
For you, when EXACTLY does a fetus “transform” into a person? My favorite bumper sticker: IF IT’S NOT A BABY, YOU’RE NOT PREGNANT.
Sorry for the late post, very busy. =)
-Holly
about 1 year ago
“Please tell me you’re not thinking of crossing Him, BAD idea.”
What exactly do I have to do to get his divine wrath? I’ve committed all the cardinal sins, used the Lord’s name in vain, rejected Christ in my heart, committed venial and mortal sins with deliberate and complete consent, and thrashed the Trinity in every way conceivable to my utterly and thoroughly corrupt heathen soul. What do I need to do to get some divine fucking retribution around here?? Jesus Fucking Christ! If he’s going to forgive and forget every sin under the sun, what is the point of having the notion of sin at all?
about 1 year ago
David,
I’ll be praying for you. But (obviously) you haven’t died yet; when you do, God will judge you and I’m sure each one of us will have a trillion sins we can’t explain. But up until then he totally wants to forgive us. What do you think happens when you die? Eternal judgment: heaven or hell. Only two ways to go. Christian or non.
But I promise you everyone who blasphemes against God will endure their consequences from the Lord himself.
But really, are the lessons in the Bible really that hard to understand? Christian “morals” (lack of better word) are pretty on target… just by a common-sense point of view. For example: God tells us not to have sex before marriage because it can bring an innocent child into the world who has uneducated, depressed parents because they had to drop out of school to take care of their little baby. Other consequences: STI’s, addiction, and a very painful breakup.
If there was someone just observing a Christian and an active atheist, the person would observe that the Christian would have more joy in life. And certainty in death. We know where we’re going. Question is: which path will you take?
-Holly
P.S. Wrong type of “vain.”
about 1 year ago
David,
I should have said this earlier and I thought a long time about it. But do you realize that your argument could be used as a reason to force women against their will into having abortions? Think about it. You just compared Palin’s choice to bring Trig to term to rape. “But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their child? If we are morally outraged by child rapists, how should we judge a parent who chooses a lifetime of suffering on their own child?”
I mentioned this earlier in other comment where I linked to your post.
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29196034&postID=8278213714854350738&pli=1
This is something you really should take the time to think about.
about 1 year ago
I think that people have reacted harshly to the example that you have chosen. What I saw in your post was a call out for people to recognise the contradiction in Christian’s (and most of the major religions) claims of infallible morality. Fundamentalist Christians seen to me to largely be ignorant and or good at bypassing understanding the history of their religion. How can a religion that organised and conducted the horrific atrocities of the inquisition claim higher morality? The history of Christianity is not just littered with but built upon lies, murder, torture, oppression, thievery, corruption and many more things that most of us believe are immoral.
The more this point is reinforced the better in my view.
I think the actual freak that was on show is actually Palin herself, to me there is something decidedly wrong when a creationist can get to such a position in government. I’m actually amazed that a creationist can make it through a normal day given the level of stupidity required to believe such nonsense – although probably ideal candidates for politics because they are great at ignoring the facts then making it up and truly believing it.
about 1 year ago
I am astounded at the original blog post and at the discussion which follows. In fact, I’m reminded of the horrified fascination with which I read The Fountainhead when I was 14 or 15.
The views put forth by the Objectivists are quite bizarre to me, and the manner in which anyone disagreeing is attacked and insulted confirms my distaste for Rand and her followers (and her literary style).
Note, I said “my distaste” – I am expressing a personal opinion, not pushing anyone’s agenda. I understand your philossophy and I disagree, vehemently, with virtually every sentence Rand ever wrote… but this entry and the following comments seem still more extreme to me.
Discussing humans as if they were not humans is, to be honest, something I associate with religious or political extremism more than philosophical movements, but whatever Rand said to the contrary there are many aspects of Objectivism which are cult-like: the reverence of Rand and of her work (however poor), the dogma, the mocking and rejection of outsiders, the implication that anyone who disagrees doesn’t understand or is somehow an inferior or enemy or consciously evil.
Looking down on human emotions has never made anyone happy so far as I can tell. You can sneer at them all you like, but you’re still subject to them.
Are the reasons for not aborting a disabled baby wrong by definition, simply because they’re based on emotion?
By extension, would any of you Objectivists like to choose your conjugal partners by “rational” methods instead of emotionally?
Basically what I’m saying here is that the moral high ground is a place which can only be occupied for a short time, because humans are humans and none of us (especially not Ayn bloody Rand) is perfect.
The Christians and the Objectivists both love to talk down to outsiders and tell the world how there’s only one, singular, unalterable truth. Then the world happens, and the unalterable truth is altered. Or they make an exception just this once. Or they just plain justify themselves blue in the face until it looks sort of OK.
I don’t have much of a problem with any of that (though it gets tiresome on a face-to-face level), but the major difference between Christians and Objectivists (to someone who’s neither) is probably that Christians are usually quite polite and amiable, whereas the Objectivists… let’s just say the attitudes on display here repelled me more than they surprised me.
(I admit, being British, there are differences in my perceptions – fewer of both groups here, Jah be praise!)
Besides, what is the OP actually advocating here? Should women have the right to choose or not? If you think they shouldn’t, admit it. If you think they should, shut up.
I had to read over a couple of pasragraphs twice to be sure that this wasn’t an out-and-out call for eugenics. Not only is the OP a bit of a ranter, I’m also completely knackered!
Perhaps as a result of this physical and mental exhaustion, this has come out sounding rather more like an attack than I wished, but the human feelings behind it are mine own, and I have no shame in owning to them.
There are some good ideas buried in both Objectivism and in Christianity, but I would like to offer the idea that it is not any specific creed or belief that inhibits the development of a fairer and better society, but the existence of rigid dogma – and the fact that dogmatic types of every strip continue to view their opponents (real and imagined) as less than human, or less than rational.
So leave the poor spackers alone, innit?
about 1 year ago
Rather interesting discussion to read – has any of you rational minded people ever considered Downs people as being natures piece of art… I guess none of you would consider general art being of absolutly no importance … and art in it’s very purpose will make some people puke and others find a higher non religious meaning.
Jan father of 15 y old Downs
Denmark
about 1 year ago
Looks obvious to me there is only one side of this discussion that seeks to “sacrifice” people in the name of some ideology. And, it isn’t Sarah Palin’s side.
about 1 year ago
Who took the comment down which said that bringing a child into the world “with severe disability or defect it is basically Münchhausen’s by proxy”?
Who took that comment down, and why?
about 1 year ago
I repeat my question, David:
Who took the comment down which said that bringing a child into the world “with severe disability or defect it is basically Münchhausen’s by proxy”?
Who took that comment down, and why?
Answer my question, you fucking pussy.
about 1 year ago
I will also echo Damien’s question to you, David:
Do you realize that your argument could be used as a reason to force women against their will into having abortions? Think about it. You just compared Palin’s choice to bring Trig to term to rape. “But what can we say about a parent that chooses a life of suffering upon their child? If we are morally outraged by child rapists, how should we judge a parent who chooses a lifetime of suffering on their own child?”
about 1 year ago
It’s still up there, if this is what you’re talking about.
“When parents knowingly give birth to a child with severe disability or defect it is basically Münchhausen’s by proxy. They may not be directly inflicting harm on the child they still seek the same psychological rewards.”
about 1 year ago
Seems as though a lot of folks that decide to go ahead with having a genetically damaged baby are also selfish, and self important.
While there is a chance that some of these kids can be brought up to speed, the fact is they are part of the reason for the general decline in public schools over the last 20 years. Special needs students absorb over something over 30% of a teachers time in class, leaving the other 29 kids in class scrambling for the rest. Subtract another 20% of the time for serious troublemakers, and you have no chance to help the majority of the kids, or encourage the brightest.
Its called survival of the fittest for a reason, and for the Right to Lifers (not the pro lifers)
it is the same old story. Protect from conception to birth, then bitch about the load on the welfare state because of women and kids trapped in poverty.
the article below, about autistic kids has a figure of 90 billion a year in costs for learning disabled. they just raised my tobacco tax 2000% because of a guess that smokers cost the country 47 billion a year( let alone that tobaco itself may not be bad for you, could just be all the additives) and the cost for diabetes at 147 billion a year because of all the sugar in our diets, think the self rightous have to use a religion to protect their demands on resources.
As for the whole Palin dispute, think that it is disengenious. for one thing, think its her daughters kid, and to ask her to show the original birth certificate is not out of line because she demanded one of her political opponents to show a marriage license.
here is the article on another genetic disease that had a breakthrough. Still think the original article has a valid argument on its own standing, and the love shown by the families on these kids is commendable. The lack of shame for taking resources that would help 50% more kids is not evident anywhere however. For a preventable, and known, condition, this is not very advantageous for the rest of the families in the world.
Drug reverses mental retardation caused by genetic disorder
UCLA mouse study offers hope for correcting how autism disrupts brain
UCLA researchers discovered that an FDA-approved drug reverses the brain dysfunction inflicted by a genetic disease called tuberous sclerosis complex (TSC). Because half of TSC patients also suffer from autism, the findings offer new hope for addressing learning disorders due to autism. Nature Medicine publishes the findings in its online June 22 edition.
Using a mouse model for TSC, the scientists tested rapamycin, a drug approved by the FDA to fight tissue rejection following organ transplants. Rapamycin is well-known for targeting an enzyme involved in making proteins needed for memory. The UCLA team chose it because the same enzyme is also regulated by TSC proteins.
“This is the first study to demonstrate that the drug rapamycin can repair learning deficits related to a genetic mutation that causes autism in humans. The same mutation in animals produces learning disorders, which we were able to eliminate in adult mice,” explained principal investigator Dr. Alcino Silva, professor of neurobiology and psychiatry at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. “Our work and other recent studies suggest that some forms of mental retardation can be reversed, even in the adult brain.”
“These findings challenge the theory that abnormal brain development is to blame for mental impairment in tuberous sclerosis,” added first author Dan Ehninger, postgraduate researcher in neurobiology. “Our research shows that the disease’s learning problems are caused by reversible changes in brain function — not by permanent damage to the developing brain.”
TSC is a devastating genetic disorder that disrupts how the brain works, often causing severe mental retardation. Even in mild cases, learning disabilities and short-term memory problems are common. Half of all TSC patients also suffer from autism and epilepsy. The disorder strikes one in 6,000 people, making it twice as common as Huntington’s or Lou Gehrig’s disease.
Silva and Ehninger studied mice bred with TSC and verified that the animals suffered from the same severe learning difficulties as human patients. Next, the UCLA team traced the source of the learning problems to biochemical changes sparking abnormal function of the hippocampus, a brain structure that plays a key role in memory.
“Memory is as much about discarding trivial details as it is about storing useful information,” said Silva, a member of the UCLA Department of Psychology and UCLA Brain Research Institute. “Our findings suggest that mice with the mutation cannot distinguish between important and unimportant data. We suspect that their brains are filled with meaningless noise that interferes with learning.”
“After only three days of treatment, the TSC mice learned as quickly as the healthy mice,” said Ehninger. “The rapamycin corrected the biochemistry, reversed the learning deficits and restored normal hippocampal function, allowing the mice’s brains to store memories properly.”
In January, Silva presented his study at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke meeting, where he was approached by Dr. Petrus de Vries, who studies TSC patients and leads rapamycin clinical trials at the University of Cambridge. After discussing their respective findings, the two researchers began collaborating on a clinical trial currently taking place at Cambridge to examine whether rapamycin can restore short-term memory in TSC patients.
“The United States spends roughly $90 billion a year on remedial programs to address learning disorders,” noted Silva. “Our research offers hope to patients affected by tuberous sclerosis and to their families. The new findings suggest that rapamycin could provide therapeutic value in treating similar symptoms in people affected by the disorder.”
about 1 year ago
Thanks Anon 2,
I searched for it via Google cache and was not able to find it.
about 1 year ago
David, my response to your Ds postings is a bit long for a comment box, so I have posted it on my blog. I invite you to come read it. If you choose to comment back there, I would ask that you use good manners since the blog is read my many parents of children with Down syndrome. Thanks for your willingness to engage in conversations on this topic.
http://downsyndromenewmama.blogspot.com/2009/07/for-david-and-his-disciples.html
about 1 year ago
There is quite a bit of misinformation in your post. First of all, let me just tell you that I am atheist, and I am also the mother of a child with Down syndrome. I did not give birth to my child as a sacrifice to any faith or religion; I simply believe that every human life has value. Furthermore, you are very mistaken to assume that my child is “a tremendous burden” on my family; he is NOT a burden. He is a child with some challenges. What child, pray tell, comes without challenges? Perhaps some of my son’s challenges are unique to Down syndrome, but he is far, far from a burden. If you had a “typical” child who was in a car accident and sustained a brain injury that left him or her with cognitive impairment, would you suddenly see that child’s life as any less valuable?
The range of impact on health and intellectual abilities is great among people with Ds, so your characterization that “Down [sic] not only severely impacts the health and life expectancy of the child . . . .” is just plain bad information. Not all people with Ds have health problems; some have none at all, some have minor health issues, and some have more serious health issues. Just like the general population, actually. Your commenter’s characterization of people with Ds as “massively retarded” is also incorrect. People with Down syndrome typically fall into the mild to moderate range of mental retardation, which means that, while they may never become brain surgeons or rocket scientists, they are perfectly capable of being fully functioning people who contribute to society.
It is not only intelligence that separates humans from animals. It is also compassion and tolerance. Your post illustrates that you are lacking in all three.
about 1 year ago
“If you had a “typical” child who was in a car accident and sustained a brain injury that left him or her with cognitive impairment, would you suddenly see that child’s life as any less valuable?”
If the answer is yes (and it would almost have to be given your opinions expressed on this blog), I wonder why your child would be less valuable to you? If for any reason your perfect child lost his health or some cognitive abilities (or just grew up to be not so bright) what would you find to love and value about him?
about 1 year ago
I can’t wait till they develop fetal testing for Asshole-ism, so then we can start eliminating people like you before they’re even born.
about 1 year ago
The current and preferred terminology is Down syndrome.
I have the highest respect and admiration for parents of individuals with Down syndrome. They just love their children for being who they are “their children”.
I can tell you that my best teacher has been an individual with Down syndrome. She teaches me constantly what is most important in life. Her lessons about love and acceptance are priceless. Seeing her live such a joyful life, so full of love, always inspires me and makes me happy.
I also know many individuals with a lot of money and college degrees that are so miserable. I see them suffering all the time. Their lives are so empty and sad.
about 1 year ago
My greatest hope in scientific discovery is that one day doctors will have the ability to perform prenatal tests in which a mother would be able to foresee if the baby she was carrying would be an ignorant dick such as yourself. At that point, I would hope she would terminate and never, EVER look back.
The world would certainly be a better place without a prick like you.
about 1 year ago
All I can say is keep your opinions to yourself you ignorant fucking bigot.
There you go, it is public, now go into a hole and die!
about 1 year ago
John & Dave –
You should both think really hard before you spout this crap. Do you NOT think that YOUR mother continuing her pregnancy with you was a huge leap of faith? How disappointed they must be. You are basically no better than Nazi’s. Genocide anyone? Come near my son and I’ll drop ya like a hot coal.
Stephanie.