Comments on: Fox Hunting and the Politics of Compromise http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/ Thoughts on man and his universe Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:01:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: marilyn http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-23471 marilyn Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:25:10 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-23471 The tradition of fox hunting in England has finally come to an end, when people become enlightened,better educated and empathic, they have realised that just because it was done in the past does not mean that it has to continue into the future, fox hunting was always a tradition and so called sport of the upper classes of british society, and there is something very very sick about people, horses and dogs enjoying chasing a terrified fox, then people enjoyng watching the dogs tear the fox into little bloody pieces. the upper classes can still go on their "hunts" but use a lure that the dogs can scent and follow, it then negates the hunters need to block up any foxhole and badger sett they find to stop a fox escaping. then forgetting to unblock them after the chase, the so called sport was not set up to help farmers, it was an excuse, farmers were quite capable of shootong foxes themselves. now they will have make better chicken coops instead. As far as the hunt masters are concerned, they would still be in business if the upper classes cared about them enough to chase the lure, and if they have too many dogs, then all they have to do is to stop using their bitches as puppy machines. This is supposed to be a new century, where compassion for each other and love for the animals we share this world with is of paramount importance, animals have as much right to an existance as we have, if we are "overrun" with one particular species, it is our fault, with our encroachment into their world, and our wasteful nature, if there is more for animals to eat, then animals will breed more, nature was always good at naturally limiting the creatures in her world until we came along and ruined everything, with our greedy natures and uncaring attitudes. what we have to remember is they were here first. and I am grateful for each and every single one of them. The tradition of fox hunting in England has finally come to an end, when people become enlightened,better educated and empathic, they have realised that just because it was done in the past does not mean that it has to continue into the future, fox hunting was always a tradition and so called sport of the upper classes of british society, and there is something very very sick about people, horses and dogs enjoying chasing a terrified fox, then people enjoyng watching the dogs tear the fox into little bloody pieces. the upper classes can still go on their “hunts” but use a lure that the dogs can scent and follow, it then negates the hunters need to block up any foxhole and badger sett they find to stop a fox escaping. then forgetting to unblock them after the chase, the so called sport was not set up to help farmers, it was an excuse, farmers were quite capable of shootong foxes themselves. now they will have make better chicken coops instead. As far as the hunt masters are concerned, they would still be in business if the upper classes cared about them enough to chase the lure, and if they have too many dogs, then all they have to do is to stop using their bitches as puppy machines. This is supposed to be a new century, where compassion for each other and love for the animals we share this world with is of paramount importance, animals have as much right to an existance as we have, if we are “overrun” with one particular species, it is our fault, with our encroachment into their world, and our wasteful nature, if there is more for animals to eat, then animals will breed more, nature was always good at naturally limiting the creatures in her world until we came along and ruined everything, with our greedy natures and uncaring attitudes. what we have to remember is they were here first. and I am grateful for each and every single one of them.

]]> By: charley http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-23099 charley Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:12:56 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-23099 Im only 10 but FOX HUNTING IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! and i hate any one who does it Im only 10 but
FOX HUNTING IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
and i hate any one who does it

]]> By: apolkadot http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-7140 apolkadot Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:04:33 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-7140 look, fox hunting was a part of the economy over there, i used to live in england and have spoken to many who fox hunt there. making it illegal put a lot of ppl out of jobs, many hounds now have nothing to do, since it it illegal the ppl who donate money for hunting have stopped or at least mostly stopped giving money to the ppl who take care of the dogs, now the caretakers have less money to feed them with and many are doing worse than before. they are not good pets and cannot be given away and obviously the solution is not to kill them, so many are not taken care of as good as can be. the hounds are not just discarded, the bond between the master and his/her hounds is very close and the master keeps very good care of them as their own children, granted there are a very few who mistreat the hounds, but that is so rare and more dogs are eaten in asia and killed for those purposes. the horses are taken great care of, and ppl put all of the money they have into keeping them happy, i know a man who could live a rich life with crappy horses, but instead spent tons of money on vet bills for his horse who contracted cancer of the brain. the saddle makers now have much less of a consumer base, if ppl cant fox hunt, then they will most likely stop riding all together and those ppl lose their jobs, the hunt master families lose sources of income, and farmers will now have more stock lost. the foxes kill tons of chickens and what not and a few foxes lost to a pack of hounds is not so bad, they do shoot it, but i believe many of you eat pork and to kill pigs they drag many of them behind a vehicle to their deaths so you can fill your happy fat tummies. horses live a lot longer when taken care of by humans, obviously, but they wouldn't take them hunting if the horse didn't want to. horses love to gallop alongside other horses through the land and i know that they love jumping. it is not cruel to ride a horse, mine drags me to the jumps and i know for a fact she enjoys it. she is always happy to see me and can't wait to go to hunts. i don't think it is right to kill animals for sport, but fox hunting was created for a reason and that is to save the farmers a lot of trouble. i know not a ton of foxes are killed by hunting, but enough that the government will have to step in and find a way to exterminate the excess overrunning the countrysides killing the chickens and causing more trouble than hunting ever did. fox hunting should not be done solely as a sport. i, in fact, hunt coyotes and they are too smart to be hunted so they haven't been caught in, i believe, 6 years now. they kill baby calves and pigs and many other animals that are pets here in texas. the way the coyotes are killed here is the hounds do it themselves, it is just like a pack of coyotes getting one of their own b/c it is old or sick. the ones that are caught are going to die soon and if anything their long painfull deaths are shortened to a few moments. it is very natural and should never have been prohibited. i know that animals are not for our entertainment and only the illegal and unfair hunting should be outlawed, not the pure kind that saves many of our sweet little cows, so there, a person has given reasons other than just cliches and crap, those are real reasons look, fox hunting was a part of the economy over there, i used to live in england and have spoken to many who fox hunt there. making it illegal put a lot of ppl out of jobs, many hounds now have nothing to do, since it it illegal the ppl who donate money for hunting have stopped or at least mostly stopped giving money to the ppl who take care of the dogs, now the caretakers have less money to feed them with and many are doing worse than before. they are not good pets and cannot be given away and obviously the solution is not to kill them, so many are not taken care of as good as can be. the hounds are not just discarded, the bond between the master and his/her hounds is very close and the master keeps very good care of them as their own children, granted there are a very few who mistreat the hounds, but that is so rare and more dogs are eaten in asia and killed for those purposes. the horses are taken great care of, and ppl put all of the money they have into keeping them happy, i know a man who could live a rich life with crappy horses, but instead spent tons of money on vet bills for his horse who contracted cancer of the brain. the saddle makers now have much less of a consumer base, if ppl cant fox hunt, then they will most likely stop riding all together and those ppl lose their jobs, the hunt master families lose sources of income, and farmers will now have more stock lost. the foxes kill tons of chickens and what not and a few foxes lost to a pack of hounds is not so bad, they do shoot it, but i believe many of you eat pork and to kill pigs they drag many of them behind a vehicle to their deaths so you can fill your happy fat tummies. horses live a lot longer when taken care of by humans, obviously, but they wouldn’t take them hunting if the horse didn’t want to. horses love to gallop alongside other horses through the land and i know that they love jumping. it is not cruel to ride a horse, mine drags me to the jumps and i know for a fact she enjoys it. she is always happy to see me and can’t wait to go to hunts. i don’t think it is right to kill animals for sport, but fox hunting was created for a reason and that is to save the farmers a lot of trouble. i know not a ton of foxes are killed by hunting, but enough that the government will have to step in and find a way to exterminate the excess overrunning the countrysides killing the chickens and causing more trouble than hunting ever did. fox hunting should not be done solely as a sport. i, in fact, hunt coyotes and they are too smart to be hunted so they haven’t been caught in, i believe, 6 years now. they kill baby calves and pigs and many other animals that are pets here in texas. the way the coyotes are killed here is the hounds do it themselves, it is just like a pack of coyotes getting one of their own b/c it is old or sick. the ones that are caught are going to die soon and if anything their long painfull deaths are shortened to a few moments. it is very natural and should never have been prohibited. i know that animals are not for our entertainment and only the illegal and unfair hunting should be outlawed, not the pure kind that saves many of our sweet little cows, so there, a person has given reasons other than just cliches and crap, those are real reasons

]]> By: blackmilk http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-497 blackmilk Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:54:16 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-497 Firstly, what other arguements can conservatives make apart from tired cliche's and boring sound bites, they (you)no nothing else. The author of this article claims that the conservative's lack a moral arguement is their downfall, not true. It's just that they simply don't have any moral arguement. The same is for Pro gun lobbyists in the USA - gunshot wounds kill too many people in your country, the rational thing to do is ban them. Secondly, the author gets too tied up in a moral arguement, the simple fact is that the majority of Uk citizens want this banned, our politicians therefore have banned it. This is called people's democracy, maybe you should adopt it in America, it's really good. The author points out that a small vocal minority won the vote, he needs to do more research. Lastly, when has a moral arguement EVER won an individual his rights. The only truth in this world is the power of the State and Coercion. Firstly, what other arguements can conservatives make apart from tired cliche’s and boring sound bites, they (you)no nothing else. The author of this article claims that the conservative’s lack a moral arguement is their downfall, not true. It’s just that they simply don’t have any moral arguement. The same is for Pro gun lobbyists in the USA – gunshot wounds kill too many people in your country, the rational thing to do is ban them.

Secondly, the author gets too tied up in a moral arguement, the simple fact is that the majority of Uk citizens want this banned, our politicians therefore have banned it. This is called people’s democracy, maybe you should adopt it in America, it’s really good. The author points out that a small vocal minority won the vote, he needs to do more research.

Lastly, when has a moral arguement EVER won an individual his rights. The only truth in this world is the power of the State and Coercion.

]]> By: liberty http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-17 liberty Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-17 i hate and i meen hate fox hunting im only 11 years old and have riped down every singh i have seen in my area i hate and i meen hate fox hunting im only 11 years old and have riped down every singh i have seen in my area

]]> By: David Veksler http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-18 David Veksler Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-18 Wow, the educational system in the UK is even worse than our own! Not only are they growing up to be good little commies, but they don't even know how to write! Wow, the educational system in the UK is even worse than our own! Not only are they growing up to be good little commies, but they don’t even know how to write!

]]> By: sum kid http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-19 sum kid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-19 its do wrong and bad if i see a poster then ill rip it down its do wrong and bad if i see a poster then ill rip it down

]]> By: sum kid http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-20 sum kid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-20 its wrong ok dont do it its wrong ok dont do it

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-21 ok ok

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-22 good so capaign aganst it and if i see it again then congratulations:) good so capaign aganst it and if i see it again then congratulations:)

]]> By: American http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-23 American Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-23 Wow, Im an american researching this topic and Im surprised to see how ignorant you people seem to be here. I wish they made people take a test before the get internet acsess, you people would still be reading the newspaper. Oh and the author of this article is absolutely correct. Wow, Im an american researching this topic and Im surprised to see how ignorant you people seem to be here. I wish they made people take a test before the get internet acsess, you people would still be reading the newspaper. Oh and the author of this article is absolutely correct.

]]> By: hunterh8r http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-24 hunterh8r Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-24 i think those fucking tiny dicked cunts should be hunted down slotered by a pack of beten brainwashed dogs deinared decapitated and plased above my fier place and then see how those stuk up so far-right-they-fall-of-there-horse up there ass mother fuckers like that. (excuce me for my bad spelling i am only 13 and i am schooled in the uk) PEACE OUT BITCHES!!!! i think those fucking tiny dicked cunts should be hunted down slotered by a pack of beten brainwashed dogs deinared decapitated and plased above my fier place and then see how those stuk up so far-right-they-fall-of-there-horse up there ass mother fuckers like that.
(excuce me for my bad spelling i am only 13 and i am schooled in the uk) PEACE OUT BITCHES!!!!

]]> By: fred http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-25 fred Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-25 stop fox hunting stop fox hunting

]]> By: corrina http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-26 corrina Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-26 i dont se how andrew linzey has got the bottle to say that fox hunting is like rape. not atall being a rape victim myself i feel that it is morally wrong to even think that. being raped ruins the rest of your life and its always there staring you right in the face. you obviously have no idea what you are going on about. if your gunna make judgements then make sure you know what you are asaying and how you are addressing them . i dont se how andrew linzey has got the bottle to say that fox hunting is like rape. not atall being a rape victim myself i feel that it is morally wrong to even think that. being raped ruins the rest of your life and its always there staring you right in the face. you obviously have no idea what you are going on about. if your gunna make judgements then make sure you know what you are asaying and how you are addressing them .

]]> By: marie http://www.rationalmind.net/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-27 marie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.rationalmind.net/archives/2003/07/01/fox-hunting-and-the-politics-of-compromise/#comment-27 wow, id like 2 c hunters get chased down & shot, it is a matter injust dis-respect wow, id like 2 c hunters get chased down & shot, it is a matter injust dis-respect

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