Archive for July, 2002

Die Amtrak, Die!

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Like many bureacracies, Amtrak just refuses to die. New evidence of incompetency causing the latest accident as wel as an incident where man suffering a heart attack on a rush-hour commuter train was forced to wait while the train made scheduled stops to pick up passengers before reaching paramedics in Boston don’t seem to deter Amtrak bureacrats from asking for more $, leading to a “a $64.7 billion transportation bill that would provide $1.2 billion for Amtrak.” Bush has proposed a more typically “conservative” $521 million, as an “emergency measure”. Meanwhile, if you look up Amtrak’s “
Legislative Grant Request” (a document begging for more federal money) they claim to attain profitability by Dec 2002 “just around the corner”, just as they have been claiming for the last dozen years. It’s unclear how this is possible considering that they have a huge and growing deficit and a large % of their cars is down for repairs without the funds to do any. Meanwhile their high speed train initiative has stalled, while Japan has had low cost commuter trains going over 170mph for years.
Socialism anyone?

David’s $500 Psychic Challenge!

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To contribute to $1 Million Psychic Challenge, I hereby declare a prize of $500, out of my own funds, to anyone that can demonstrate to me any sort of psychic, hypnotic, levitational, or any* other paranormal ability in a valid, repeatable scientific experiment.

Hello, Miss Cleo? John Edwards? Uri Geller? Santa? Pope John Paul ? — I’m waiting.

Feel free to spread the word…but I’m not expecting too many inquiries…

Arbitration denied

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I have been following the status of the legal legitimacy of arbitration for several years and I don’t like this ruling one bit. The implications are clear, as both Thomas and Dieteman mention, and I have a feeling this is only the beginning. I have been dreading just this ruling for a long time, and I think the consequences are going to be much more serious than even Justice Thomas realizes. This case is about whether America is ruled by laws or by bureaucratic whims, and I think the trend is pretty clear.

And so it begins…

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[DRUDGE]Bureaucratic Infighting Said To Have Stalled Airport Security Effort
Almost a year after the Bush administration promised a nationwide drive to tighten airport security, such efforts are being stymied by poor coordination among federal agencies and a lack of clear-cut technical requirements, said executives of aerospace and defense companies seeking to land government contracts. The WALL STREET JOURNAL reported on Friday: Bureaucratic delays and disagreements among agencies, these officials contend, have made it hard to get decisions to deploy new technologies or speed the flow of funds for new security initiatives. Boeing Co., Lockheed Martin Corp., Raytheon Co. and Honeywell International Inc. are among the companies that have privately or publicly voiced such complaints, urging a more focused effort.
‘There has to be some direction’ from the Bush administration before the situation will improve,’ said David Cote, Honeywell’s chairman and chief executive. ‘Until the regulation is there and the funding is put there’ to establish clear priorities, he said during this week’s Farnborough International Air Show near London, ‘I don’t think it’s going to happen.’
Heather Rosenker, a spokeswoman for the TSA, said, ‘We’re not aware of any complaints,’ adding that ‘our systems are going fine, and we don’t have any problems.’
She said the agency is still waiting for funding from Congress and quoted Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta at a congressional hearing Wednesday stressing that the TSA needs money to move ahead with projects.

Ah, bureaucracy, don’t you just love it. As usual, when a government agency fails to do it’s job, it’s becuase it “needs more money,” or “more regulation/power is required for to be effective” — it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the inherent unefficiency/incompetency of government bureacuracies, could it now?
Just one question,

Are you feeling safe yet?

Censorship, etc

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Check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/
07/22/borderless.internet.ap/index.html

“Police in Italy didn’t care that five Web sites they deemed blasphemous and thus illegal were located in the United States, where First Amendment protections apply. The police shut them down anyway in early July, simply by sitting down at the alleged offender’s Rome computer. ”
Yes, blasphemy is illegal in Italy, just as “hate speech” is illegal in France. Gotta love the Europeans, huh? No wonder they’re in love with Palestinians…

In a totally unrelated story, a Russian jet full of kids on vacation slammed into a cargo jet:
“Ordered to climb higher by the electronic voice of the cockpit’s automatic collision detector, the pilot of the children’s plane obeyed the befuddled ground controller instead. The airliner dove head-on into a DHL cargo jet – a tragedy that might have been averted if people put more faith in machines”

Are people EVER going to learn to trust computers? Do it for the children!!!

SC Report

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The Center for the Moral Defense of Capitalism posted a “Supreme Court
Year in Review”
for 2002 outlining decisions relevant to issues of individual rights. Interestingly, the court sided for individual rights in 55% of the cases, with Clarence Thomas (not suprisingly, my favorite justice) voting 75% for freedom.

So is 55% a positive trend? Yes, but the court should rule for liberty 100% of the time, and I doubt that it is enought to counteract the many anti-liberty actions of Congress, et all since Sept 11th. Still, I’m glad that there are people (kinda) on my side in high places.

Listserv: Population Control vs Economic Freedom

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The Virtues of Economic Freedom vs. Population Control

> Yes I agree that economic freedom will increase economic growth and economic development. However the point that I am arguing is that effective population control will also increase economic development in developing counties. Unfortunately (for the rest of the world) China is the only good example of a developing country that has successfully controlled population growth without being extremely repressive in economic freedom.

Since factual evidence is not very convincing to you, let me step back and explain a little ethics and economic theory.

First of all, even if population control had any positive effects, any government attempt to control how many children you may or may not have is immoral. It is bad enough when a government outlaws your ability to not have children by outlawing abortion and birth control, but a government that outlaws how many children you may have is much worse, especially considering that you can always choose not to have sex, but it’s not that easy to hide your children from the ever-present, omnipotent State. Such a government is thoroughly immoral and tyrannical and as such has no right to exist (as much as I may praise the free market reforms of China) You may point out that no all countries are as extreme as China– some have voluntary “family planning” programs – but the monies for those programs are still stolen by taxation from its own, as well as that of industrial nation’s citizens, which still makes it wrong.

 

Moving on to economics….

 

Economics shows that not only is free exchange of goods the best stimulant for the production of wealth, but that ANY population control is economically detrimental. Yes, any government population control is economically harmful. I doubt one can understand why unless he understands why capitalism is such a great thing in the first place, and I have no intention of trying it explain all that here, but I am going to try to cover the basics.

 

First, let’s look at a related topic, immigration. Western Europeans are generally über-paranoid about the immigrants “flooding” the country and stealing all their wealth. This is a classic economic fallacy which is based on the mistaken view that the amount of wealth in any area is fixed. The reality is that each citizen (unless he’s a child, crippled, or a bureaucrat) must be productive in some way shape or form by providing a service to otherwise (also know as a “job”) in order to feed, clothe, and shelter himself. This amazing fact of life even applies to children (more on them later) and immigrants. This means that immigrants to a country have to get jobs to make a living, and in the process create wealth (by making fries and McD’s, harvesting crops in CA, or cheap shoes at those “evil” sweatshops. In the process of providing goods and services to the society they immigrated to, they also earn a living for themselves. Hence, everybody benefits no matter how many immigrants come into a country because immigrants instantly because both producers and consumers of goods. Supply and demand. It’s amazing.

Of course there is more to it than that. A “modern welfare state” is likely to frustrate the native-born population by bestowing the (naturally poorer, otherwise they wouldn’t have immigrated) immigrants with all sorts of welfare payments, but this is an arguments against welfare, not immigration (or birth control.) Furthermore, immigrants (and immigrant parents) start to work right away when they come to a country, and start paying into the tax system immediately, while welfare benefits in the form of public education unemployment usually come a lot later. Some will argue that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes – but illegal immigrants don’t (and shouldn’t for that reason) get welfare benefits either.

 

Of course, there is such a thing as relative overpopulation. Immigrants have come to American for over 300 years because America allows them to produce much more wealth than their countries of origin –they wouldn’t want to come here, unless they believed that coming here would be to their benefit. This has very little to do with population levels and much more to do with factors like technology, and free markets. Free markets (by definition, in fact) allow new jobs to be created much more readily than regulated markets because a free market means freedom to create jobs by entrepreneurship, and thus can support much higher population levels. No one wants to move to Russia or Bosnia despite their much lower population densities for reasons having much more to do with the socio-economical situation there than over-population. This brings us back to my main point – free markets, not birth or – immigration – control is what generates wealth and allows a higher population level to exist with the same or higher amount of per-capita wealth. This idea is demonstrated very well by the Solow growth model – in the end, population growth and technological growth are the ingredients to higher aggregate social wealth production – and by the nature of supply and demand, consumption. Recent history demonstrates this idea very well – massive immigration into the States after WWII and rapid population growth increased GDP many times over, totally destroying the “population growth is evil” model. (Some will argue that this had more to do with post WWII dominance, and I can easily how show how this is a fallacy, if you want.)

 

Back to birth control, having a child requires a parent to consider the cost of bringing that child into the world. If a parent cannot afford to have a dozen children, then he will do his best not to do so. However, the cost of having many children is much higher in industrialized countries. This is because of several factors, such as the fact that in industrial nations more than half the kids are likely to survive into adulthood and in the process demand education, clothes, cars, cell phones, etc. Parents in the States know it is hard enough to afford one kid, much less ten. Another factor is the high opportunity cost of raising kids because in general, jobs in developed nations are a lot more available and pay a lot more than jobs developing nations. In a developing nation, the situation is reversed. Kids cost a lot less because not all of them survive childhood and because jobs are less readily available and pay less. More importantly, child labor is often an important source of income in these nations, and parents have many children for the purpose of using them in subsidence farming (which is much more labor-demanding than modern agriculture) sending them to work in the factories, or even begging on the streets. These economic incentives for large families are inversely proportional to the amount of economic opportunity available in the country – because new economic opportunities raise the opportunity costs of having kids.

 

The final step is to tie economic opportunity to free markets. As I mentioned earlier, this fact is almost true by the definition of free markets, as a statist, bureaucratic economy allows much less room for new individuals to find jobs, discouraging immigration and encouraging emigration to freer nations. The massive immigration movements of the 20th century (and all of history) are almost always motivated by new opportunities for economic — not religious or political freedom, even though a free mind and a free economy go hand in hand.

Follow up:

“I doubt one can understand why unless he understands why capitalism is such a great thing in the first place”

This sounds so much like the Christians “There are miracles all around you, but you are blind to them because you don’t believe in god.” Its funny.

Not at all – unlike Christians, I provided factual evidence and logical arguments to the validity of my claims, rather than asking you to accept them “on faith”

It seems that you are arguing that increasing aggregate economic production is the unquestionable good.

Not at all. I am not holding anything in economics to be an “ultimate value” because economics is a study of human action and the consequences of various choices, not of normative judgment – that’s what ethics is for. From an ethical (not economical) perspective, I would say that capitalism; a system of individual rights (property rights in particular) is the only system compatible with my ethical system that views the individual, not the collective as the highest and only end. Because it respects the individual, capitalism also happens to be the system that generates more wealth (individual OR aggregate) than any other, namely statism.

Anyways,

For example if you can show that increasing population will increase per capita (not aggregate) social wealth production, then you will be set—and I will admit the error in my ways. However you switched from discussing per capita to aggregate wealth—what the are you thinking? Did you not realize how irrelevant that is?

You seem to be implying that while the addition of an extra worker into society will raise output, each additional worker will produce marginally less, this lowering per capita output. To an extent, this is true – for example, after a war that kills many people of a country, but does not destroy any capital, everyone (left alive) will have more stuff. Additionally, assuming that technology and natural resources are fixed, this analysis would hold true even without a war. Thus, it is true that there is such a thing as a population level that is above the optimal population level. (Of course the population a country can support depends much more on economic factors than the size of the population – hence the US having a higher population, immigration AND birth rates than Russia and still having a much higher per capita growth levels.)

However, my argument was not “the more people the better” but that “any government population control is economically harmful” — that is, when government intervenes in the natural reproduction rate and attempts to lower (as in China) or raise (as in Japan) it. This is understood more easily on the family level – each parent much consider the benefits vs. the costs of an additional child, and as long as government doesn’t intervene, will have the marginally optimal number of children. If the socio-economic situation of the country will not support another child, then the parent will likely choose not to have one. What’s true for a single family is true for all the families of the country. (Whether a few teenagers or unwanted births occur is irrelevant, because the parent takes this into consideration when considering the overall population level.) Of course, the same logic applies to the immigrant, who decides whether his country or another has a higher effective overpopulation level. Basically, my point here is that children, like any other economic good reach an equilibrium amount of “production” in a “free market” – that is where the government does not encourage extra of fewer births. All the same arguments that apply both for and against a free market for any other economic good apply here. The factual evidence of this is the deceasing birth rates in any given country as it industrializes and improves healthcare, etc – thus raising both the value and the cost of an additional human life.

Of course, the statist might bring up the “problem of the commons” here for kids, just like he would for land, the environment, etc. However, just as in the market for goods, when property rights exist, the problem of the commons disappears. That is, when you have to cover the full cost of raising your children and reap the full benefits (usually material in poor countries, and non-material in developed ones), the incentive will be to privately regulate your own consumption of “resources” to a renewable level – that is, not to let your kids bankrupt you. However, in welfare state, when mothers can have extra kids covered by welfare paid for by other people, property right on children effectively disappear, incentive for the maximal family size go away, and over-population ensues (which is why welfare mom’s are more likely to have lots of kids)

Another common implicit statist fallacy is that technology and/or natural resources are fixed, so any population growth rate is necessarily decreasing per capita consumption. This is ridiculous to say about a developing country, since it usually lags behind both in technology and its exploitation of natural resources (Russia is a great example of this) and almost always the lack of resource/technological development is because a free market doesn’t exist to provide the proper incentives is non-existent. Additionally, since technology is not fixed at the status quo and new forms of natural resources are constantly being discovered, it is ridiculous to say this about developed countries as well. In fact, some prominent physicists classify potential human energy sources in four stages – biomass, planetary, solar, and galaxy-level. (I forget the technical terms for these.) We are only in the first stage – using earth’s biomass (wood, coal, oil, etc) resources for energy. Long before we run out of coal/oil/plutonium, we will switch to the next level of energy sources – planet level, and so on. (Assuming we don’t blow ourselves up before that happens.)

Anyways, I could go on, but I’m sure some people will be complaining about the volume of email in their Inbox.

–David

Yay!

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I got A’s in my INFO and Logic classes! (Big suprize, huh?)

In other news, I compiled a Linux kernel and the associated OS from scratch at work over the last two days…fun stuff, only I need to be studying for the GRE instead of playing with computers….

oh, and I got up before class to swim two days this past week! Usually I barely make it to my morning classes as it is, so I was amazed myself.

The first summer session is almost over!

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I finished my swimming class today, and I’ve really improved over the last few months, from dog paddling back and forth in the water to finally getting my freestyle technique down, learning how to do flip turns, and generally not looking totally incompetent in the water anymore. I was afraid of failing it when I started the class, as coditioning swimming is probably the hardest KINE class at A&M, but by the end I *almost* had an A, and would have if I had not taken it pass/fail.
Oh, and there are two other side effects -I finally started replacing some of those emergency supplies ..err fat I had been generating with muscle, and the endorphin induced high I get after workouts has been keeping me in relatively high spirits despite a very dull summer. Oh, and today, when I entered the outdoor pool, I could have sworn all the girls checked me out (or is it my speedos?) hehe

Quote

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I found a quote I like on the web, which sumarizes my philosophy pretty well:

“What is is. Perceive it. Integrate it honestly. Act on it. Idealize it.”

Web Stuff

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I redesigned Laurel’s Site for a totally new look and posted a totally new site, based on my INFO 209 Project, “A guide to compression for the Web

Check out Laurel’s Site
before
and
after!

Also, I am working on a new essay (several essays actually) called “Politics for the Unitiated”
A draft of its beginning’s is currently up here.

Listserv: Liberals as Irrational, Religious Zealots…

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For entertainment’s sake allow me to take on your accusations about “Libertarianism” being a religion and in fact posit that it is YOUR socialist/leftist/anti-capitalist ideology that is not only religious in nature, but is in fact a dogmatic, faith-based, feel-good ideology that closely resembles the organized religion which we both reject. I would very much like to see you try to defend your ideas with actual logic instead of personal attacks on my character and vague generalizations without any supporting evidence. (However, I am quite sure that being unable to actually refute any of the arguments below you will resort to precisely that, or simply pretend to ignore this email — but please, prove me wrong.)

 

First, I am going to define what a religious attitude in fact is, then I am going to show how it perfectly applies to your socialist/leftist ideology, then I am going to show you why there is in fact no such thing as “Libertarianism” and how my principles and my personal philosophy (which is not in fact “Libertarianism” OR Objectivism) is perfectly compatible with a rational, skeptical, atheistic attitude that you falsely claim to possess.

 

To start with, let us examine what religion and a religious attitude do in fact entail. Religion is a primitive form of philosophy (philosophy being the study of universally applicable questions, as opposed to those that apply to a single field) and as such tries to answer basic questions about the world and make value judgments about how to act given the answers obtained from religion. The distinguishing characteristic of religion’s metaphysics (metaphysics being the study if the nature of reality) is to use faith as the fundamental axiom and method of knowing reality. Faith is simply someone’s assertion of some fact, and to have faith is to base your knowledge on what someone (be it a person or something they in a book, such as the bible) said.

 

To have faith as a guide to life is to base your understanding of the world on what someone said without actually attempting to independently find go out and determine what the world is actually like and/or random feelings, usually the result of an emotional response to a theologians preaching. Faith is dangerous (that is, harmful to your and others lives) because it falsely assumes that everything claimed by a theologian and reflected by your emotions is true and leads a person to act on these false premises. Usually these premises are based on some dead theologian’s unbridled selfishness in their desire for greed, power, or usually, both. Even when these theologians have good intentions, they are usually wrong, and following them not only leads one to ignore reality, but to sacrifice the interests of themselves and those they care about in order to reach a nirvana or reach some heavenly paradise that does not exist. Even worse, it teaches a person to follow and believe the preaching of whatever public orator is best and leads them commit horrible crimes against humanity, often sacrificing their own goals, their loved ones, their happiness and even their own lives in the process.

 

So why is liberalism\socialism\leftism a religious faith-based ideology? Precisely because liberals and especially socialists are generally categorized by the same traits that characterize religion — that is ignoring reality in favor of blind reliance on the preaching of some (dead) philosopher, politician, or other talking head. Furthermore, liberalism (the current variety, not classic liberalism, which is something totally different) is fundamentally based on emotions and “instinctive” feelings — and these feelings, as with religion, are usually the self-reinforcing emotional reaction that comes from listening to some false prophet’s speech. Furthermore, the habit of basing one’s views in rhetoric and ignoring factual evidence becomes so ingrained in a liberal, that he or she will consciously and almost automatically ignore factual evidence to the contrary in favor of rhetoric. What evidence is there for this view? Take any random liberal position and you will find it aplenty. For example, environmentalism.

 

Environmentalists will often claim that the earth is on the edge of imminent destruction from a multitude of human-caused evils despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary. They will claim that the earth is exploding from a population crisis when the population in the industrial world has been declining for decades and the population in third world countries shows clear signs of peaking at a world total of 8 to 10 billon (as even the UN now admits) instead of the previous claims of over 40 billion. They will ignore the evidences that there is plenty of food available to feed many times the current population of the world, if only it was distributed freely and that technology has and will continue to multiply that amount at an exponential pace. The will ignore the historical evidence that global warming is common throughout history, that England was one warm enough to grow grapes, that the world is actually ending a mild cool period, that the vast majority of scientist believe that the human impact on the climate is minimal, that even those scientists that agree on global warming will occur admit that there are many positive as well as negative effects from a warmer climate and that human as well as animal species have prospered in warmer climates to a greater degree than in the current cool period. They will argue that the ozone hole is going to expand and kill us all when scientists cannot even agree that CFC’s do in fact destroy ozone, and as cities pass laws against too much ozone in the air, they will blame the plague of skin cancer on the ozone when in fact sunbathing and skimpy clothes are more in vogue than ever, and in fact the increase in the popularity of tans in the western world is proportionate to the increase in skin cancer rates.

 

I could go on for hours, but my point is not that environmentalists are wrong, but that they will consciously ignore scientific evidence that is contrary of the ideas they hear from prominent environmental activists, and furthermore, that they base their ideas on an irrational, all-powerful love for “mother earth” –which is in fact, ultimately a hate of technology and humanity, as many environmentalists openly admit. This religion, call it Gaianism, or Environmentalism, or “post materialism” holds the inherent value of a snail or Alaskan microbe as a basic axiom, superior to any human needs or values. In fact, by groundlessly, faithfully, and emotionally embracing the environment as one’s highest value, environmentalists are clearly anti-human (often openly), anti technology, and anti-life. Almost all of these environmentalists are also upper or middle-upper class hypocrites who enjoy the comforts of technology and exploitation of the environment to mankind’s benefit. No poor third world worker would embrace this movement — because he truly values the benefits he receives from technology that allow him to live a longer life than his ancestors, who were lucky if half their children lived to adulthood, and any of them lived past the age of thirty. Environmentalists ignore this of course, and blame civilized, industrial countries from “stealing” the third world man’s “natural” way of life, or otherwise blame technology from lifting him up from the short, savage and brutal life man lives in nature.

 

But my point is not to criticize environmentalism, but simply to present the liberal’s basic attitude of the world. I can easily show the same behavior and the same attitude in any liberal position, especially my favorite topic — economics. I am not an ecologist or a biologist, but I do know something about economics and I can easily give you dozen of examples of the same attitudes liberals have when it comes to economics.

 

How am I able to claim all this knowledge of the liberals mind? Besides the fact that I have debated and associated with many such people, I used to be one myself. In fact, I was a loyal member of the Sierra club, who campaigned to stop evil companies from destroying the world. I was active in the Aggie Democrats as I campaigned for “social justice” and animal rights. Just about every liberal attitude and every liberal position I have mentioned, I once held myself with a deep passion. Chris, you may claim that I am the irrational exception, but in fact if you look around you will find the same attitude all around you, as I did when I woke up from my delusions.

 

But what about “Libertarianism”? Is it really the fervent religious movement you claim it to be? As I said, there is no such thing. That is, claiming to be libertarian says almost nothing about a person. There are Christian and atheist, subjectivist and objectivist, nihilist, humanist, naturalist and Kantian libertarians. There are anarchist, constitutionalist, social contract, and federalist libertarians. “Libertarianism” does have a certain general meaning, but it is simply the support of a free market economy and limited government, and little else. It is certainly not a religion, and there is certainly no “official” movement –most self-proclaimed libertarians vote for more democrat or republican then libertarian Party candidates.

 

What about Objectivism? Are Objectivists rabid Randroids who worship Ayn Rand and believe she could do no wrong? There are some to be sure, as there are extremists for any position, but even Leonard Peikoff, Ayn Rand’s own heir publicly disagrees with her on certain issues, and there are two different groups with very different stances who claim to represent her views. Regardless, even IF “Objectivism” was an irrational philosophy, my philosophy is not “Ayn Rand’s Objectivism”. My view of the world is my own, not borrowed from any book or any person, and it comes from 21 years of looking at the world and coming to conclusions about how it works. Ayn Rand (just as any good philosopher) may have given me many insights that might have taken me much longer (if ever) to find out for myself, but I only adopted her views after examining the world for myself and determining on my own whether her views made sense and whether they were in line with the evidence the world presented me with.

 

You claim that I am an irrational, dogmatic mystic — yet how could this be if I changed my mind on so many issues before reaching my (ever changing) current position? Have YOU as a hardcore liberal ever examined your fundamental understanding of the world, and then looked outside and critically and deeply questioned whether the two are compatible? I did, and I decided that my view on economics, politics, the environment, and reality itself was different from the world I experienced, and with help from others, but always with my own mind, I decided on what was the true and the good. On some issues that I was not sure about (like god and abortion) I found evidence to support my current position — but on others I found evidence to the contrary and changed my views 180 degrees.

 

When was the last time YOU did that, Mr. Langford?

Patiently awaiting your reply,

 

Sincerely,

David Leo Veksler

A follow up:

> You have yet to respond to actual data regarding

> population growth and economic development in China and India.

Actually I did respond. I posted dozens of statistics as well as my own and others’ arguments as to the fact that *economic freedom* NOT birth control is the key to wealth. You have yet to counter my stats or the basic argument.

>Not to mention your decision to ignore the logical

> error you made using your morality to argue against the Palestinians,

>when the contentious issue was “Why does the left support the

>Palestinians?”

While I have used my morality to argue against the Palestinians, the arguments given for liberals’ support of them are independent of those arguments. The point stands that liberals support Palestinians for reasons having very little to do with human rights violations and much to do with their flawed view of rights, force, the initiation of force, and reality (or lack of an absolute one) itself.

> Look David, just because you were a member of the Sierra Club, and know

> so little about science, does not mean that all

> socialist/leftist/andit-capitalist share your ignorance. As I

> scientist I am going to (waste?) my time trying to set you strait on

> the science, but I am not going to be able to waste my life helping

> you with the rest of you > problems-Although your understanding of

> logic and social science seems to > be equally retarded-just an onion

> there, not an actual proposition.

Err…am I supposed to respond to this? Am I missing a point somewhere here? In any case, the point of my original essay was that liberals choose to ignore facts, not that they are ignorant of the facts, which would at least be some sort of excuse.

> In fact the earth is experiencing a dramatic increase in population.

> This excessive population growth in developing countries stifles

> economic development in those countries and decreases the standard of

> living for people in those areas. We have had this discussion before,

> and you seemed to abandon it when confronted with actual demographic

> data (Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:06 PM).

This is a tired point, but I am going to address it anyways since you’re so insistent. Look at where population is exploding and where it the growth rate is decreasing. In particular, go to the CIA fact book or the UN web site and cross reference that with the Economist’s or Cato’s index of economic freedom by country. There is a clear correlation that shows that the more economically free (*not* politically) a country is, the lower the population growth rate. The cause and effect direction is evident when you look at the pattern trends, that is China, which is much freer economically than India (NOT politically, which is besides the point here) has had decreasing growth rates whereas India, which has one of the world most restrictive economies has a high and growing pop rate despite a decades long family planning program of its own. The situation in Africa is so much more obvious so that it’s blindingly clear that the populist policies of the various dictators there have led to a price control system which wiped commercial farms, leading to a return to subsidence farming, which as we all know, depends on large families. The facts are staring you in the face, it’s only the conclusion that’s lacking. For more, I suggest you read some good econ books by people such as Mises, Hazzlit, or even P.J. O’Rourke.

> man whose ideas are firmer than those of your favorite straw men.

> However I disagree that the amount of food that can be produced will

> continue to increase at an exponential rate.

But it has been so for the last one hundred years, and DNA technology has the potential to boost in many times more. (Unless those wacko greens have their way, of course) There is much other long-term research (hydro, etc) in boosting crop yields that should have dramatic payoffs in the long run, if the greens don’t get in the way.

> 1) Human activities have undoubtedly increased the amount of carbon

> dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere.

Ok, but just how much is still under question. Most scientists agree that a volcano generates more CO2 in one explosion that all the industry of the earth in several years. Meanwhile, more oil is leaked naturally in the Gulf early than all the oil ever spilled by tankers (feeding an active ecosystem in the process, btw) Interestingly, I have seen recent evidence point to the fact that oil is not always generated by ancient biomass — there are new oil field in areas where no large biomass presence existed, pointed to deeper, as yet unknown sources.

> 2) Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the earth’s

> atmosphere and increases that net warming of the earth by solar

> radiation.

Indeed, but how much is not known, and whether warming is bad is not known either. Even if it were, pollution releases other chemicals that have been shown to have a *cooling* effect, making wacko greens rant about warming AND cooling in the same sentence (I’ve heard it myself)

The fact is, we really don’t know what effect human activity has on the earth, and whether we will be harmed or benefit from its side effects. In any case, let me point out a quote by Ayn Rand: “Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in nature, without technology, is wholesale death.”

…and the green’s “back to nature” movement is exactly the wholesale death that Rand warns off. Their fault is not an error in the facts, it is an very basic ideological one.

> atmosphere. It is also and established fact that UV radiation is a

> mutagen, and does contribute to skin cancer. Also excess UV radiation

> has detrimental effects on other organisms in the ecosystem.

Ok, but scientists still don’t know HOW or IF CFC’s end up in the ozone hole. Also, note that due to the geometry of the earth and the nature of UV light rays (which don’t bounce, obviously) the increases in skin cancer rates in North America is NOT due to the ozone hole, unlike green propaganda claims (ignoring reality, again)

In any case, if benzene produces so much ozone in the city, a. the cities of the world are free from UV damage and b. sprinkling even a little benzene in the upper atmosphere can counteract the effects of CFC’s

> As an environmentalist, I have shown that you are the one who is wrong

> in your claims about environmentalists. I have a much better

> understanding of the empirical evidence and scientific theory behind

> the environmental issues addressed than someone who ignores scientific

> evidence in favor of prominent environmental activists, and obviously

> my understanding is much better than yours.

Ha, I doubt that. While Maya (or her $) was supporting drunken and stoned protesters in Seattle, I attended a conference on the effects of global warming last year at the Bush Conf Center. I got two things out of spending over 10 hours listening to a bunch of ecologists, biologists, economists, and other assorted scientists drone on: while the costs of regulating industry can be estimated, no one has any idea what they benefits of all those regulations would be. Listening to the proposed benefits was like listening someone ponder about the existence of E.T. in the galaxy: changing any one of a dozen factors changed the costs (or benefits, as was often the case) of global warming by several orders of magnitude. Meanwhile capping the US industrial output even slightly will lower GDP by several points, would take trillions of dollars out of the economy, making EVERYONE worse off. If you look at the exponential effects of such yearly % limits, and the global repercussions, the cost easily goes into hundreds of trillions of dollars, which is enough to build everyone on earth a personal igloo (more like a dozen) to stay out of that darn sun.

Back to my point, at the end of the conference, I attended a formal dinner and where I set next to a lobbyist for some big environmental consortium, who ranted on about “evil corporations destroying the earth” and totally ignored everything said the last three days, proving my point about liberals better than I ever could myself.

–David

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